'It takes courage to change and sometimes courage is all you have'


'It takes courage to change and sometimes courage is all you have'


Courage Unravelled bares witness to the importance of hearing others stories so that we do not feel so alone and isolated from our past stuff.

There are many podcasts available however for me, the local and real stories of people across sector groups, connects me to the realness that Sana so eloquently offers.

Julie Broad

Practitioner, The Brain Trainer

 Courage Unravelled podcast

with West Australian podcast host, Sana Turnock

The Courage Unravelled podcast series brings you stories of everyday people achieving extraordinary things with grit, compassion and courage.

Tune in as I interview people from all walks of life. We talk about their fear-to-breakthrough journeys. All served with generous dollops of courage.

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Series 5 – Rural Heroines


Libby Finlayson
S5 Ep25. Libby Finlayson – Rural Divorce: The Gift of a Stronger You
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Libby Finlayson grew up rurally and on stations during her childhood and eventually got married to a farmer. She loved her life. She was on acreage, worked the land and with animals, got to ride horses all the time and began a family with her husband on the land. One day, it all changed. She was given unexpected news. Her husband no longer wanted to be married – to her.

Libby’s whole world was rocked. The farming and community life she adored was no more.

Find out how Libby changed her life and used deep emotional pain as fuel to help others in a way that would never have happened if she was still married.

Note, in this interview you may hear a dog barking from time to time. Allow it to be part of the rural ambiance.

Time: 33.45min

We talk about:

  • Station life
  • Hardship
  • Having a governess growing up
  • Being a solo adventurer
  • Being among station cowboys
  • Getting down and dirty mustering, scruffing & castrating!
  • The farm life
  • Married with kids
  • Marriage break up and the aftermath
  • Leaving behind the dream life
  • Rebuilding
  • Anger, grief and finding inner strength
  • The rollercoaster ride of emotions
  • City vs rural divorce. Is there a difference?
  • Single parenting
  • A new calling
  • Health and divorce coaching
  • Habit and the ability to change
  • Libby’s mum and the women of her generation being courageous heroines
  • Courage
  • Turning adversity into a blessing

Contact Libby:
Website: libfinlifestyle.com.au
IG @libfinlifestyle, @beyonddivorcecoach
FB Libfinlifestyle

Interview: Sana Turnock
Produced and edited by: Sana Turnock
Audio mastering: Woods Media Lab
Copyright-free music credits:
Liquid time – Aakash Ghandi, Eternal garden – Dan Henig

Amanda Campbell
S5 Ep 26. Jane Smith – Indigenous Adoption in a Remote Landscape
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Ever wondered what it would be like to foster a child in the middle of nowhere? Jane Smith (not her real name) lives on a station somewhere in Australia on 1 million acres of land.

Jane was studying to be a doctor and during her training she did a few units on indigenous affairs and thought she had it all covered when she and her husband decided to adopt two indigenous children.

Little did she realise she was going to go on a roller coaster ride that would involve intergenerational trauma and all the behaviours that came with it.

Jane wanted to share this story so that people would get a real insight into the joys and challenges of adoption. She shares her fears and being humbled by the personal and spiritual growth she has experienced since adopting two indigenous children.

Jane also provides some insight into being a white woman who moves between a white world and indigenous culture because she wants her adopted children to never forget their indigenous heritage.

I invite you to listen to Jane’s experience.

A couple of things about the interview:

  • No indigenous names are mentioned in this story
  • If you find this story triggering at any point please stop listening and seek the advice of an appropriate health professional.

Time: 35.10 min

We talk about:

  • Living remotely
  • Station life
  • Social issues and isolated rural community living
  • Indigenous fostering and adoption
  • Intergenerational trauma
  • Indigenous spirituality
  • Effects of childhood trauma
  • Taking care of a traumatised child
  • Living in a blended culture
  • The outcome of killing a dog (by accident)
  • Courage

Interview: Sana Turnock
Produced and edited by: Sana Turnock
Audio mastering: Woods Media Lab
Copyright-free music credits:
Knowpe – Noir Et Blanc Vie, Eternal Garden – Dan Henig

Melia Brent-White
S5. Ep27 – Melia Brent-White – The Winemaker who Became a Body Talker
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Meet Melia Brent-White. A past winemaker who gained minor celebrity status in the 2000s. Find out why she decided to radically change direction and leave the wine industry and the family legacy.

The decision meant setting out on her own courageous path. A path that would take Melia towards Body Talk – an energetic-type therapy that enables Melia to communicate with the body to help it heal itself.

Growing up rurally and being a bush kid Melia never lost connection with the land.

We talk wine, body talk, land management, horses, health challenges and Melia’s vision. Take a listen.

Time: 39.45 min

We talk about:

  • Growing up on the land in the South West of Western Australia
  • Being a winemaker
  • Being part of the family legacy
  • Burn out and health complications
  • Being a star – a female farmer on TV. Who will she marry?
  • Finding love away from the spotlight
  • Finding a new path
  • Body Talk – what is it exactly?
  • The healing power of horses
  • The earth wants healing
  • Land intelligence and land ownership (the white fella way)
  • Healing through holism
  • Our individual connection to the land. What does it mean?
  • Melia’s courageous hero – Charles Massey
  • Melia’s vision for her own future
  • The heart of a lion

Contact Melia
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/InnerEquilibrium/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/inner_equilibrium_melia/

Interview: Sana Turnock
Produced and edited by: Sana Turnock
Audio mastering: Woods Media Lab
Copyright-free music credits:
Pink Sunrise – The Great North South Society, Playdate – The Great North South Society

Peta Goodwin
S5. Ep28 Peta Goodwin – The Activist who Created an Unplanned Movement
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What is it that makes someone want to become an activist? Peta Goodwin is an activist and co-founder of the unplanned movement called Nannas for Native Forests. Being an activist takes time, co-ordination skills and a lot of work – especially if you are the co-founder. There has been a groundswell of support for Nannas for Native Forests as people realise or come to realise how destructive the culling of forests means for the environment.

Destroying trees has consequences – for humans and climate change.

I have never interviewed an activist before let alone spoken to one but knew off the bat Peta and I have something in common. Our love of trees.

Join Peta and me as we discuss the unplanned founding of a movement and what it has meant to Peta’s life beyond retirement. You also get to hear Peta sing the Nanas anthem! It’s awesome!

Time: 20.58min

We talk about:

  • The reason why Peta became an activist
  • What it’s like being a co-leader of a movement when you are supposed to be retired!
  • Taking part in her first blockade
  • The rapid growth of the movement
  • Creating an anthem
  • Why Peta’s mum is her courageous influence

Contact Peta
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Nannas4NativeForests

Interview: Sana Turnock
Produced and edited by: Sana Turnock
Audio mastering: Woods Media Lab
Copyright-free music credits:
The High Line, Playdate – The Great North Sound Society

Steph Schmidt
S5.Ep29 Steph Schmidt – It’s OK not to be OK
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Today we enter the world of psychologist Steph Schmidt and her experience with post-natal depression. Not just once but twice. Post-natal depression doesn’t discriminate, even when you’ve been trained with tools and strategies at your fingertips. Steph talks about her time and what has helped her move through the challenges that PND brings.

We also talk about what it’s like to be a rural psychologist in isolated communities and be 2020 Agrifutures Rural Women’s Award winner during COVID19.

Come and join us.

Time: 38.23min

What we talk about:

  • What it’s like being a psychologist with post-natal depression
  • Therapy for the therapist
  • The benefits of being an award winner during COVID-19 when you are pregnant
  • Motherhood and post-natal depression
  • Isolation and loneliness
  • Mental health in rural and isolated communities
  • What it means to live rurally or remotely
  • Leaning into discomfort
  • Strategies for getting well and remaining well
  • Identifying achievements when someone has post-natal depression
  • Self care makes Steph a better wife and mum
  • Mental health challenges in rural settings caused by natural disasters
  • Rural resilience and rural resilience programs
  • The benefit of being flexible and adaptable
  • Steph’s amazing grandmothers being her courageous influence
  • Fleeing from war, being a refugee, leaving it all behind

Contact Steph

Interview: Sana Turnock
Produced and edited by: Sana Turnock
Audio mastering: Woods Media Lab
Copyright-free music credits:
Easy Day – Kevin McLeod, Eternal Garden – Dan Henig

Tori Kopke
S5. Ep.30 Tori Kopke – Stopping a Plane for Love
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Have you ever made a quick decision that turns out to be monumentally life changing? Rural business coach Tori Kopke has. She’s made at least three.

Find out how backpacker Texan Tori finds herself stuck in Margaret River with no money after having spent it doing numerous wine tours. Where to next? Travelling gives you the courage to do some crazy things. She chooses the wheatbelt town of Cunderdin to have her final Australian adventure before heading back to Texas.

What happens next? You’re going to have to join us to find out!

Time: 31.56min

What we talk about:

  • Texas
  • Leaving the life you know for love
  • Travelling backpacker style (not!) throughout the South West of Western Australia
  • The train to Cunderdin
  • Stopping a plane from taking off – for love
  • Going shooting as a first date
  • Rural living
  • Leaning into discomfort
  • Family support, business support
  • Self-confidence, intuition, trust
  • Building a rural business network
  • The Big Ideas Rural
  • Building a business
  • Doing business in the city, doing business in the country
  • Collaboration – doing things rurally
  • Courage is necessary
  • Why Tori’s business coach is courageous

Contact Tori
Website: https://www.torikopke.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theruralbusinesscoach
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theruralbusinesscoach/
Podcast: Big Ideas Rural

Interview: Sana Turnock
Produced and edited by: Sana Turnock
Audio mastering: Woods Media Lab
Copyright-free music credits:
Don’t ya bite now – Dan Lebowitz, Follow the Shadows – The 126ers

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Podcast Reviews

The strength of storytelling

I am really enjoying this Courage unraveled podcast! Hearing real and honest stories is always enlightening (also nice that its Aussie based). This podcast is perfect timing for 2020 and really makes me realise how courage plays a huge role in happiness, success, healing and a healthy wellbeing. Listening to Sana and her guests has got me very motivated for the second half of what has been a year of mayhem for all.


So inspirational

I just finished listening to Karen Crutchlow’s courageous story and I can’t wait to listen to all the others. I want more…. thank you so much.



It is inspiring to hear the stories from the heart.

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